I have not gone dominant in espousing on some thought(s). The latest thoughts have gone from one idea to the next than to the next than back to the beginning.

What I am grazing through is conversion. When does it start, what is it called, does it ever stop, when does one know fully this in when I was converted. Or is it truly how we evangelicals have explained it to be the accurate way of viewing conversion. There is no secret to those that know me that I am about raising disciples of Christ , not just some people that seem to be barely hanging on to a fire breaching policy that they hope that can be redeemed at the moment of being place six feet under ground. So the initial question was raised when does one become a disciple, well the jury is out on this still, but in much deliberation about what it means to be a disciple and the cost, hopefully soon they will bring in a verdict. Maybe without any unreasonable doubt they are correct. But any who, conversion is tied into one being disciple, somewhere in this process.

Then comes the questions of Lordship and Savior, which is the correct order of understanding how a person is converted. Is it simply a simple prayer that anyone can pray on their death bed to a five year old praying it and one day grows into understanding Christ's Lordship? I understand that we all learn and grow in stages, if this is so then why does the evangelical circles place an emphasis on a central point of a conversion that leads to other stages, or is it that this stage is dressed in a new array? For me this means that there is a there was and now there is, meaning simply old then, new now. But this thought seems to go against what Christ taught. Even Paul states the new creation, but states that God is perfecting us through Christ. So which is it, is it now or coming into being? Or is it both and? Well these are my thoughts of lately, if you have any good insightful thoughts please share, I would love be stretch more than I am.